American Bulldog - Mitsubishi Owners Association Mid Atlantic

H8R · 02-12-2009, 08:15 AM

Does anyone here have one?, how would you rate the breed? I'm seriously considering buying one. I love the ones I have encountered, they seem to be a little strong willed but other then that...not too bad. Also, if anyone knows a breeder with good feedback locally let me know!

Thanks!

kOMPRESSOR · 02-12-2009, 08:45 AM

I went camping last summer with a buddy of mine. His brother showed up with an American Bulldog. I was actually afraid of the dog for a day and a half. His name is Brutus.

I want this.

H8R · 02-12-2009, 09:09 AM

^ I like Dobers too but they're not allowed in the new complex.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-12-2009, 09:27 AM

Why? And American Bulldogs are?

H8R · 02-12-2009, 09:41 AM

because the Dober has a worse rep. then the AB. They have a list of banned breeds, bull dogs aren't on it. Pitbulls are.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-12-2009, 09:56 AM

H8R · 02-12-2009, 09:59 AM

Not as gay as living in a shit hole....

GTclipse01 · 02-12-2009, 10:11 AM

My best friend owns one. He's about 95-100 lbs, a great dog but my friend sucked at training him so he jumps when you come in the door. They need to be socialized with people and especially other dogs EARLY on. Otto goes ape and goes into kill mode every time he sees another dog.

he's bulked up since this, but it's all i've got.. this is when he was picked up from the rescue place (around 85 lbs).

H8R · 02-12-2009, 11:06 AM

Yea, Teddy I have heard the same things from a few others. Only problem with them bulking them up is the joint/hip problems (Similar to Boxers like yours). BTW, hows she doing?

GTclipse01 · 02-12-2009, 02:12 PM

Well, what I meant was that he was still skinny when my buddy picked him up b/c he was previously starved.. he didn't bulk him up on purpose, it was just him being able to eat properly. A neighbor also has one, her and Cody get along great b/c she was well socialized early on.

Cody's good, he's about 60-65 lbs. at a year and 4 months. He's pretty much done growing but he should put on another 4 or 5 lbs or so. I just can't believe he went from this

to this (December/January):

From a long time ago, but it's the only front shot I could find.. he's about 45lbs or so in this one (new PC):

Bullies are awesome dogs, It's 100% a great decision as long as you get him as a puppy and have some time to hit the dog park while he's young.. unless you don't really mind him hating other dogs. Another dog worth checking out is the Presa Canario... same family, slightly bigger, but a little more laid back. I see two of them up at the dog park a lot, and they are AWESOME if you like bigger breeds. The two I met were incredibly well mannered... Cody loves to play with them, it's pretty hilarious watching the brute strength vs. agility come into play. I've got a video of them on my cell, I'll see if I can upload it somehow. They're definitely worth a look.

H8R · 02-13-2009, 09:34 AM

The boy is looking great Teddy. I'll check out that other breed you mentioned they look awesome! I feel it's probably a very expensive purchase. I'm looking to spend a max of 1600 bucks on a new pet, not to mention it's 30 bucks per month extra for plus 400 deposit.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-13-2009, 11:34 AM

Damn!

crpearce · 02-15-2009, 10:32 PM

Jeez!

nikkizixxer · 02-15-2009, 11:01 PM

Did you ever think to get something like a cane corso mastiff? They are pretty muscular dogs and you can get their ears and tails done too

GTclipse01 · 02-16-2009, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H8R

The boy is looking great Teddy. I'll check out that other breed you mentioned they look awesome! I feel it's probably a very expensive purchase. I'm looking to spend a max of 1600 bucks on a new pet, not to mention it's 30 bucks per month extra for plus 400 deposit.

Thanks bro. The lady who owns the two Presas I know said they were exactly $1600 each, AFAIK they range from around 1-2K.. just so ya know. Definitely take a look at Washington Post Pet Classifieds, that's where I found Cody.. just click "Pets" under the "Shopping" header at the top right. There are some Am. bullies on page 4 which is the link I threw up for ya.

H8R · 02-17-2009, 06:52 AM

Thanks Teddy!

H8R · 02-01-2010, 09:03 AM

Well, after much considertaion... I'm going to have to scrap the American Bulldog idea. It's just not right to have a dog that big in an apartment. So, whats the next coolest thing for a smaller dog? Boston Terrier, i've been doing research and they seem to be VERY smart,VERY trainable, great lifespan (15+), minimal barking. what do you guys think. of course, I wont be living in apartment forever but it seems like a good 3-4 year until I have enough SAVED to get the home I want TO BUY. Good news is the X will be paid off at the end of this year!

kOMPRESSOR · 02-01-2010, 09:09 AM

No Boston Terriers!!!!!!!!

H8R · 02-01-2010, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kOMPRESSOR

No Boston Terriers!!!!!!!!

Why?

crpearce · 02-01-2010, 12:02 PM

My dog is part terrier, and she is incredibly smart. She is very responsive to commands, but she is extremely high-strung.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-01-2010, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H8R

Why?

My buddy Drew, had one. That little fucker was so annoying and was VERY high strung like, Chris said. The motherfucker would NEVER sit still and was always snorting and just a constant bother. I can't picture you not being annoyed by it and wanting to punt it like Hauschka never could.

crpearce · 02-01-2010, 12:10 PM

Terriers are very energetic, which Alex eluded to. I can keep Dora calm for the most part, but when I have visitors over, I pretty much have to lock her up in a bedroom.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-01-2010, 12:11 PM

My buddies BT's heart rate had to be out of this world.

H8R · 02-01-2010, 12:15 PM

Well, Drew is a Hippie and I doubt he did much to give the dog a good daily run. Besides, all the breed selector things online listed it as needing VERY little excersize, and suited well for apartment life.. I have ZERO problems taking it for a long walk each day. Thanks for the input Alex. I do like to kick things.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-01-2010, 12:17 PM

Of course they don't need exercise, THEY NEVER STOP MOVING! I'd do some more research, though.

H8R · 02-01-2010, 02:38 PM

I've done a TON already.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-01-2010, 03:01 PM

I've always dug beagles.

H8R · 02-01-2010, 03:18 PM

Now those mother fuckers HOWL/BEAGLE all the damn time. Dude across the street has one. SOB, lets him out on a chain and it howls all the damn time. I want to feed it a anti-freeze hot dog.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-01-2010, 03:54 PM

Medium breeds:

Australian Cattle Dog
Australian Shepherd
Bulldog
Canaan Dog
Greyhound
Bull Terrier

Those seem like cool breeds to me.

If your looking for something even smaller:

Manchester Terrier
Miniature Bull Terrier
Italian Greyhound
Whippet

H8R · 02-01-2010, 06:06 PM

Has to be short hair, that eliminates most of the ones you listed. Bulldogs aren't allowed. Italian Greyhound is too damn tiny. Whippet, not into it.. I punch it though..lol

crpearce · 02-01-2010, 08:47 PM

My friend has a whippet. I haven't spent a lot of time around the dog, but from what he has said, it is a great dog.

H8R · 02-01-2010, 09:31 PM

Too gay for my taste.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-02-2010, 07:20 AM

Miniature Pinscher

H8R · 02-02-2010, 07:45 AM

Min pin, very destructive and BARK WAY TOO MUCH> Some owners have even opted to removing the "barker" lol.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-02-2010, 07:59 AM

Get a cat.

H8R · 02-02-2010, 08:52 AM

I have a jewish pus now.

kOMPRESSOR · 02-02-2010, 08:55 AM

Hairless?

H8R · 02-02-2010, 12:21 PM

Mohawked. or Hitlered, depending on my mood and if I want to punish.

02-12-2009, 08:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	American Bulldog Does anyone here have one?, how would you rate the breed? I'm seriously considering buying one. I love the ones I have encountered, they seem to be a little strong willed but other then that...not too bad. Also, if anyone knows a breeder with good feedback locally let me know! Thanks! __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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kOMPRESSOR Fuck shit Join Date: May 2007 Name:BRM Location: Baltimore, MD Vehicle:Mercedes-Benz W203 Posts: 12,065 Thanks: 963 Thanked 389 Times in 318 Posts	I went camping last summer with a buddy of mine. His brother showed up with an American Bulldog. I was actually afraid of the dog for a day and a half. His name is Brutus. I want this. __________________ BRM, Now available with BOOST! Last edited by kOMPRESSOR; 02-12-2009 at 08:56 AM.

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	^ I like Dobers too but they're not allowed in the new complex. __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

02-12-2009, 09:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
kOMPRESSOR Fuck shit Join Date: May 2007 Name:BRM Location: Baltimore, MD Vehicle:Mercedes-Benz W203 Posts: 12,065 Thanks: 963 Thanked 389 Times in 318 Posts	Why? And American Bulldogs are? __________________ BRM, Now available with BOOST!

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	because the Dober has a worse rep. then the AB. They have a list of banned breeds, bull dogs aren't on it. Pitbulls are. __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	Not as gay as living in a shit hole.... __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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GTclipse01 likes to poop Join Date: Feb 2007 Name:Teddy Location: Centreville, VA Vehicle:'01 Mits GT, '06 Acura TL Posts: 1,312 Thanks: 70 Thanked 53 Times in 49 Posts	My best friend owns one. He's about 95-100 lbs, a great dog but my friend sucked at training him so he jumps when you come in the door. They need to be socialized with people and especially other dogs EARLY on. Otto goes ape and goes into kill mode every time he sees another dog. he's bulked up since this, but it's all i've got.. this is when he was picked up from the rescue place (around 85 lbs).

02-12-2009, 11:06 AM	#9 (permalink)
H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	Yea, Teddy I have heard the same things from a few others. Only problem with them bulking them up is the joint/hip problems (Similar to Boxers like yours). BTW, hows she doing? __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00 Last edited by H8R; 02-12-2009 at 11:12 AM.

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GTclipse01 likes to poop Join Date: Feb 2007 Name:Teddy Location: Centreville, VA Vehicle:'01 Mits GT, '06 Acura TL Posts: 1,312 Thanks: 70 Thanked 53 Times in 49 Posts	Well, what I meant was that he was still skinny when my buddy picked him up b/c he was previously starved.. he didn't bulk him up on purpose, it was just him being able to eat properly. A neighbor also has one, her and Cody get along great b/c she was well socialized early on. Cody's good, he's about 60-65 lbs. at a year and 4 months. He's pretty much done growing but he should put on another 4 or 5 lbs or so. I just can't believe he went from this to this (December/January): From a long time ago, but it's the only front shot I could find.. he's about 45lbs or so in this one (new PC): Bullies are awesome dogs, It's 100% a great decision as long as you get him as a puppy and have some time to hit the dog park while he's young.. unless you don't really mind him hating other dogs. Another dog worth checking out is the Presa Canario... same family, slightly bigger, but a little more laid back. I see two of them up at the dog park a lot, and they are AWESOME if you like bigger breeds. The two I met were incredibly well mannered... Cody loves to play with them, it's pretty hilarious watching the brute strength vs. agility come into play. I've got a video of them on my cell, I'll see if I can upload it somehow. They're definitely worth a look. Last edited by GTclipse01; 02-16-2009 at 02:46 PM.

02-13-2009, 09:34 AM	#11 (permalink)
H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	The boy is looking great Teddy. I'll check out that other breed you mentioned they look awesome! I feel it's probably a very expensive purchase. I'm looking to spend a max of 1600 bucks on a new pet, not to mention it's 30 bucks per month extra for plus 400 deposit. __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	Thanks Teddy! __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	Well, after much considertaion... I'm going to have to scrap the American Bulldog idea. It's just not right to have a dog that big in an apartment. So, whats the next coolest thing for a smaller dog? Boston Terrier, i've been doing research and they seem to be VERY smart,VERY trainable, great lifespan (15+), minimal barking. what do you guys think. of course, I wont be living in apartment forever but it seems like a good 3-4 year until I have enough SAVED to get the home I want TO BUY. Good news is the X will be paid off at the end of this year! __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00 Last edited by H8R; 02-01-2010 at 11:27 AM.

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crpearce Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Name:Christopher Location: Pennsylvania Vehicle:2009 RA, 2008 Ninja Posts: 5,888 Thanks: 119 Thanked 268 Times in 255 Posts	My dog is part terrier, and she is incredibly smart. She is very responsive to commands, but she is extremely high-strung. __________________ //////// Christopher R. Pearce

02-01-2010, 12:10 PM	#22 (permalink)
crpearce Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Name:Christopher Location: Pennsylvania Vehicle:2009 RA, 2008 Ninja Posts: 5,888 Thanks: 119 Thanked 268 Times in 255 Posts	Terriers are very energetic, which Alex eluded to. I can keep Dora calm for the most part, but when I have visitors over, I pretty much have to lock her up in a bedroom. __________________ //////// Christopher R. Pearce

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kOMPRESSOR Fuck shit Join Date: May 2007 Name:BRM Location: Baltimore, MD Vehicle:Mercedes-Benz W203 Posts: 12,065 Thanks: 963 Thanked 389 Times in 318 Posts	My buddies BT's heart rate had to be out of this world. __________________ BRM, Now available with BOOST!

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	Well, Drew is a Hippie and I doubt he did much to give the dog a good daily run. Besides, all the breed selector things online listed it as needing VERY little excersize, and suited well for apartment life.. I have ZERO problems taking it for a long walk each day. Thanks for the input Alex. I do like to kick things. __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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kOMPRESSOR Fuck shit Join Date: May 2007 Name:BRM Location: Baltimore, MD Vehicle:Mercedes-Benz W203 Posts: 12,065 Thanks: 963 Thanked 389 Times in 318 Posts	Of course they don't need exercise, THEY NEVER STOP MOVING! I'd do some more research, though. __________________ BRM, Now available with BOOST!

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	I've done a TON already. __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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kOMPRESSOR Fuck shit Join Date: May 2007 Name:BRM Location: Baltimore, MD Vehicle:Mercedes-Benz W203 Posts: 12,065 Thanks: 963 Thanked 389 Times in 318 Posts	I've always dug beagles. __________________ BRM, Now available with BOOST!

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	Now those mother fuckers HOWL/BEAGLE all the damn time. Dude across the street has one. SOB, lets him out on a chain and it howls all the damn time. I want to feed it a anti-freeze hot dog. __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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kOMPRESSOR Fuck shit Join Date: May 2007 Name:BRM Location: Baltimore, MD Vehicle:Mercedes-Benz W203 Posts: 12,065 Thanks: 963 Thanked 389 Times in 318 Posts	Medium breeds: Australian Cattle Dog Australian Shepherd Bulldog Canaan Dog Greyhound Bull Terrier Those seem like cool breeds to me. If your looking for something even smaller: Manchester Terrier Miniature Bull Terrier Italian Greyhound Whippet __________________ BRM, Now available with BOOST!

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	Has to be short hair, that eliminates most of the ones you listed. Bulldogs aren't allowed. Italian Greyhound is too damn tiny. Whippet, not into it.. I punch it though..lol __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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crpearce Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Name:Christopher Location: Pennsylvania Vehicle:2009 RA, 2008 Ninja Posts: 5,888 Thanks: 119 Thanked 268 Times in 255 Posts	My friend has a whippet. I haven't spent a lot of time around the dog, but from what he has said, it is a great dog. __________________ //////// Christopher R. Pearce

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	Too gay for my taste. __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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kOMPRESSOR Fuck shit Join Date: May 2007 Name:BRM Location: Baltimore, MD Vehicle:Mercedes-Benz W203 Posts: 12,065 Thanks: 963 Thanked 389 Times in 318 Posts	Miniature Pinscher __________________ BRM, Now available with BOOST!

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	Min pin, very destructive and BARK WAY TOO MUCH> Some owners have even opted to removing the "barker" lol. __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00

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kOMPRESSOR Fuck shit Join Date: May 2007 Name:BRM Location: Baltimore, MD Vehicle:Mercedes-Benz W203 Posts: 12,065 Thanks: 963 Thanked 389 Times in 318 Posts	Get a cat. __________________ BRM, Now available with BOOST!

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H8R Tag-Team Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Name:H8R Location: Columbia, Maryland Vehicle:05 Nissan Xterra OR Posts: 10,093 Thanks: 202 Thanked 597 Times in 514 Posts	Mohawked. or Hitlered, depending on my mood and if I want to punish. __________________ " You can't hurt this. I'm a machine, JERK -Ray Lewis 00